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是谁创造了“毒液”?

Who Created Venom? (with Todd McFarlane) | NowThis Nerd

It’s extremely rare for a comic book character
很少有一个漫画形象
to spring forth from the mind of one person.
是由单人进行创作的
Usually, the writer and artist share co-creator credit
脚本和美工通常由两人分工完成
like how Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster both came up Superman
就像杰里•西格尔和乔•舒斯特一起创作了超人
or Stan Lee and Jack Kirby basically gave birth to
斯坦·李和杰克·柯比两人联手
most of the Marvel Universe.
打造出漫威宇宙
But sometimes, it can get pretty messy
但有时候 情况会变得极为混乱
especially when it comes to a character as complex as Venom.
尤其是在创作像毒液这样复杂的角色时
I’m Moose and today, with some help from Todd McFarlane himself
我是穆斯 今天在托德·麦克法兰的帮助下
we’re gonna take a peek
让我们一起来看看
behind the scenes at Marvel Comics to find out
漫威系列漫画的幕后故事
who Created Venom?
共同探索毒液的创造者
Venon fully debuted in 1988’s “Amazing Spider-Man #299”
1988年 毒液在《神奇蜘蛛侠(299期)》首次登台
but his history begins over a decade before that
不过有传言称他诞生的时间
at least, according to legend.
至少可以追溯到十年前
But before we get there
但在确认之前
we should start with the official byline
我们还是先采用官方说法
which states that Venom was a co-creation of
即毒液的创作者
David Michelinie and Todd McFarlane
是大卫·米其里尼和托德·麦克法兰
Marvel wanted to do something special
当时《神奇蜘蛛侠》发行第300期
for the landmark 300th issue of “The Amazing Spider-Man”.
漫威想要纪念一下这个里程碑式的成就
So writer David Michelinie decided to make use of
于是大卫·米其里尼决定利用一下
the alien symbiote that Spidey encountered four years earlier.
蜘蛛侠在四年前遇到的一个外星共生体
He introduced a mysterious unseen character
他创作了一个全新的神秘角色
that was immune to Peter’s spider-sense
他对彼得的蜘蛛感应完全免疫
who was able to surprise our friendly neighborhood hero
这足以让我们的超级英雄大吃一惊
and nearly kill him before vanishing into the night.
甚至在退场前险些惨遭其毒手
When it came time for the big reveal
在揭晓新角色的形象时
Michelinie originally planned to unveil Venom as a woman
米其里尼原本时计划塑造一个女性毒液
whose hatred of Spidey came from losing her husband and
因为受到蜘蛛侠和超级反派的某次战斗的波及
unborn child as the result of collateral damage
她失去了丈夫和一个未出生的孩子
during one of Spider-Man’s various supervillain battles.
这使得她十分憎恨蜘蛛侠
His editor liked the idea
他的编辑很喜欢这个想法
but didn’t think that a woman
但还是觉得如果是女性角色
even one ensconced in a symbiote suit
即便穿上了共生体套装
would visually seem like a threat to the webslinger.
也不会对蜘蛛侠构成实质性威胁
So Michelinie came up with Eddie Brock
于是米其里尼又创造了艾迪·布洛克
a down-on-his-luck reporter
一个倒霉透顶的记者
who wanted revenge on Spidey for exposing his bogus story.
蜘蛛侠拆穿了他的谎言 所以他要报复
But that’s only half of the equation.
但故事到这里还没结束
Michelinie might have had his arc all planned out
米其里尼的故事有了基本框架
but without a killer design
但如果缺少一个
from one of the most influential artists of the 90s
出自九十年代画家之手的绝妙设计
Venom could have been just another forgotten villain
毒液就会像火箭赛手或摩天轮一样
like Rocket Racer or The Big Wheel.
成为一个被人遗忘的反派
Enter Todd McFarlane.
这时 托德·麦克法兰出现了
The artist’s star was on the rise at Marvel
当时他正处于事业的上升期
and he was looking for a new challenge
也正在寻找一个新的挑战
But he had one condition:
他提出了一个条件:
He wanted to draw Spidey in his original costume.
给蜘蛛侠换套由他设计的衣服
I’ll come on one condition.
我当时只有一个条件
You gotta get him back in the blue in the red!
要让他穿红加蓝!
Because to me, as a kid, that’s what it looked like.
对我来说 蜘蛛侠就该是这个样子
So, I gonna do the blue and the red
所以 我一定要让他穿上红加蓝
the blue and red, the blue and red.
红加蓝 就是红加蓝
So put it on somebody else
原来的衣服让给别人
we’ll create another character
我来画个新角色
and then I can have the red and blue Spider-Man
这样既能让蜘蛛侠穿上红蓝套装
and they’ll still have the black costume.
漫画里也依旧有穿黑衣服的角色
So,Marvel obliged
然后 漫威同意了
and got the wheels turning to remove Spidey’s black suit
他们将重点放在换掉蜘蛛侠的黑色套装
and introduce an iconic new villain at the same time.
同时 向观众介绍全新的反派角色
The basics of the black suit were already set in stone
黑色套装的基本样式没有改变
but McFarlane transformed it into a massive monstrosity.
但麦克法兰将他画成了一个巨型怪兽
It had blank, terrifying eyes
双眼空洞却令人恐惧
and a demonic, toothy grin.
带着恶魔般的露齿微笑
Although in his first appearance
尽管在首次问世时
the fangs and slobber are nowhere to be found.
他的嘴里还没有毒牙和口水
The tongue part
谈到舌头部分
I don’t know why it has to be out all the time.
我也不知道为什么他总是伸着舌头
I think that long tongues drawn in the comics
我觉得在漫画里画的长舌头
look like my dog when it is running
特别像我的狗在奔跑
or the sort is flapping. I don’t know what is proper…
或是摇摆的样子 我不知道形容的是否正确…
I mean…
我是说…
for one image it looks super cool
其中一张图片看起来很酷
but if I was doing the tongue
但如果按照我的想法设计
in the movie, it would be slow
在电影里 舌头应该动得很慢
it would be fwoomp fwoomp fwoop
嘴巴里会发出声音
then it’d be out
然后伸出舌头
it would do something and be gone, it’d be another tool
完成各种事然后伸回去 就像另一个工具
not just Gene Simmon’s
绝不仅仅像吉恩·西蒙斯所说的
“look at what I’ve got.”
“看看我拿到的是啥”那样
Todd McFarlane: Not the biggest fan of the tongue clearly.
显然托德舌头并没有什么特殊的喜好
More on that later.
稍后继续
So, Michelinie and McFarlane came up with Eddie Brock
所以 米其里尼和麦克法兰构思出埃迪·布洛克
his hulking frame and his signature smile
他有健壮的身躯和标志性的微笑
in other words, they created the character
换句话说 他们创造出了
we know today as Venom.
今天我们所知道的毒液
Period.
阶段性的
But it gets a little more complicated
但当你考虑到他们两个人
when you consider that neither of them
都没有参与过外星人套装的创作或设计
had any part in the alien suit’s creation or design
情况就变得有点儿复杂了
they were building on work that had begun years before.
他们只是将一个数年前的工作 继续进行下去
The symbiote’s origin is a little more difficult to trace
现在我们很难追溯共生体的起源
but the earliest claimant to its creation is writer-artist
最早声称其创作了共生体的 是作家兼画手
John Byrne
约翰·伯恩
Byrne became one of comics biggest names
伯恩因《钢铁侠》和《黑凤凰传奇》中的表现
with his work on Man of Steel and the Phoenix Saga
成为了漫画界的著名人物之一
but in the 70s he was still paying his dues
但在70年代 他还在漫威
with one of Marvel’s lower tier heroes
为其中一个底层英雄工作
the Immortal Iron Fist.
那就是 铁拳侠
He noticed that Iron Fist’s costume usually
他注意到 每期结尾铁拳侠的衣服
ended up shredded to pieces by the end of an issue
都会被撕成碎片
only to show up the next month in pristine condition.
直到下个月才恢复如新
Byrne didn’t like the idea of the Living Weapon
伯恩很不喜欢这个想法
sewing together his leotard with a needle and thread.
一个超级英雄居然每次都要自己缝衣服
So he proposed that his suit would be made from
他觉得 可以用一种能自我修复的仿生材料
a bio-organic material that healed itself
来制作铁拳侠的衣服
with no need for time-consuming stitching.
这样就无需浪费时间来补衣服了
The concept never saw the light of day in Iron Fist
这个想法没能在《铁拳侠》中实现
but years later, Spidey writer Roger Stern asked Byrne
但若干年后 蜘蛛侠的作者罗杰·斯特恩
if he could take the unused idea and apply it
询问伯恩是否可以将他未实现的想法
to Spider-Man’s mysterious new black costume.
应用于蜘蛛侠的神秘黑色新制服的设计
But that’s just the beginning.
但这仅仅是个开始
Because the notion of Spidey getting a new look
因为给蜘蛛侠换个形象的想法
in the first place came from a far more unlikely source.
最初来自于一个不相关的人
Not a comics writer, or artist, or editor
不是漫画作家 不是画手 也不是编辑
but a fan, named Randy Schueller.
而是来自一个名叫兰迪·舒勒的粉丝
From time to time
时不时的
Marvel used to hold talent searches to recruit new blood.
漫威会通过人才搜索来招纳新成员
“Ultimate Spider-Man” legend Mark Bagley
《终极蜘蛛侠》的创作者马克·伯格勒
came from one such contest.
就是从一次类似的比赛中选拔出来的
But usually, they never amounted to much.
但通常情况下 他们的成就并不大
That didn’t stop superfan Randy Schueller
这并没有影响到超级粉丝兰迪·舒勒
from submitting a pitch in 1982, though.
在1982年 他向漫威提交提案
In his story, Spidey swings by the Baxter Building
在他的故事里 蜘蛛侠需要在巴克斯特大楼来回穿梭
for a much-needed costume upgrade courtesy of Reed Richards
里德·理查兹好心为他升级服装
and Mr. Fantastic whips up a new suit
得到必须的材料后 神奇先生制作了新衣服
made of the same unstable molecules the FF use in their uniforms.
这种非稳态分子材料与神奇四侠的制服相同
It comes equipped with fancy new cybernetic webshooters
同时 它还可以控制蛛网的弹射
and increased clinging capacity
增强粘合能力
along with a bold new look:
新造型也极其大胆:
All black everything, with the only splash of color
全身乌黑
being a red spider splashed across his chest.
胸前有只伸展开的红蜘蛛
Much to Schueller’s shock
令舒勒大为震惊的是
Marvel Editor-in-Chief Jim Shooter actually wrote him back.
漫威总编吉姆·舒特给他回了信
He bought the idea for $ 220
他花220美元买下了这个想法
and gave the young writer the chance to
同时作为权利交换
script the story in exchange for the rights.
将创作的机会给了这个年轻作家
Unfortunately, Schueller was unable to flesh out his figment
不幸的是 舒勒没有能力把自己的构思
into a full-fledged comic book.
以完整的漫画故事展现出来
So Spidey’s new costume
于是蜘蛛侠的新衣服
was put on the shelf for a few years
又被搁置多年
until it was dusted off for “Secret Wars”
直到重新亮相于“秘密战争”
the groundbreaking crossover by Jim Shooter and Mike Zeck.
这个由吉姆·舒特和迈克·泽克开创的大杂烩
“Secret Wars” began as a collaboration with toymaker Mattel.
“秘密战争”源自与玩具制造商美泰的一个合作
They were interested in picking up the rights for Marvel’s characters
美泰感兴趣的是漫威人物的使用
but they wanted to tie it
他们想将这个
in with a big publishing event
与自己的大型发布会联系起来
one where all the good guys and all the bad guys
将所有的好人和坏人聚在一起
got together for whatever reason
不管出于什么理由
and just beat the crap out of eachother.
然后双方开始互殴
Marvel supervillains and superheroes figures
漫威的超级反派和超级英雄
each sold seperately!
每个都有分售!
Here, Doctor Doom and the Doom Platoon
这儿 毁灭博士和厄运军队
Magneto, Doctor Octopus!
万磁王 章鱼博士!
There, Captain America and the Champions of Freedom
那儿 美国队长和自由捍卫者
Spider-Man and Wolverine!
蜘蛛侠和金刚狼!
Their focus groups found that kids responded to words
他们的焦点小组发现孩子们
like “secret” and “war”
更偏好“秘密”和“战争”这类词
so Shooter, in his infinite creativity
所以舒特凭借他无限的创造力
called the crossover “Secret Wars”.
搞了个大杂烩就叫“秘密战争”
Another Mattel mandate was that the heroes had to change
美泰的另一项要求是漫威的英雄必须
they needed toyetic new vehicles, accessories, playsets
换上他们的玩具式新车 新配件 新装备
and most importantly, costumes.
还有至关重要的 新衣服
Shooter remembered Schueller’s original idea
舒特想起舒勒的创意
worked it into his script for “Secret Wars”
把它写进了自己为“秘密战争”准备的剧本中
and handed it to artists Mike Zeck and Rich Leonardi
然后交给了画手迈克·泽克和里奇·莱昂纳迪
to refine into Spidey’s new look.
让他们进一步完善蜘蛛侠的新形象
They were already working on a new costume for Spider-Woman
他们之前就在为蜘蛛女设计新制服
so they adapted their work-in-progress into Spider-Man’s black suit
于是他们将现成的作品改成了蜘蛛侠的黑套装
one of the most elegantly simple and brilliant designs in superhero history.
超级英雄史上 最简约最杰出的设计之一
Although Todd might disagree…
尽管托德可能不赞同……
So you’re not a fan of the black costume?
所以你不喜欢黑色服装?
Not on Peter Parker!
彼得·帕克不行!
When I looked at the black costume on Peter Parker
当我看到彼得·帕克的黑衣服时
it’s the equivalent of putting a yellow costume on Batman.
就感觉跟蝙蝠侠穿黄衣服大同小异
Okay, I guess there’s a bat on it
好吧 我猜上面有只蝙蝠
but it’s yellow!
但它是黄色的!
That’s not Batman!
那就不能是蝙蝠侠!
So that settles it, right?
所以答案是这样的 对吧
Venom was created by
毒液的创造者有
Michelinie, and McFarlane, and Byrne
米其里尼 麦克法兰 伯恩
and Schueller, and Shooter, and Zeck…
还有舒勒 还有舒特 还有泽克
and the Rest.
以及 其他人
That’s right, we’re still not done.
是的 我们还没完
After all, Tom DeFalco and Ron Frenz were the ones
至少得算上汤姆·德法科和罗恩·弗兰兹
who came up with the idea
毕竟是他们提出
that the suit was actually a sentient alien symbiote
这套衣服实际上是一个有知觉的外星共生体
instead of some weird technology cooked up by the Beyonder.
而不是虚构出来的的一些奇怪技术
They also invented its weakness to sound
他们还设定了这个共生体对声音的弱点
which is how the suit was separated from Spidey in the first place.
正是这个原因 蜘蛛侠与衣服进行了剥离
because it would be pretty hard for Venom to exist
因为如果蜘蛛侠和他的黑衣服永远安然共存
if Spidey and the black suit were just BFFs for life.
那么毒液就很难有生存余地
What about Peter David?
还有彼得·大卫呢?
He is the writer who came up with the Sin Eater storyline.
是他想出了食罪者故事线
That’s the supervillain whose identity
在这个故事里 实习记者布洛克以为自己
Brock thought he exposed
揭露了连环杀人犯的真身
only to have it blow up in his face
不料这只是表面假象
when Spidey caught the real guy.
真正的罪犯是由蜘蛛侠抓到的
It’s a crucial part of Venom’s motivation
这是毒液创作的重要组成部分
but Michelinie and McFarlane had nothing to do with it.
这与米其里尼 麦克法兰没有任何关系
There’s also the fact
还有一个事实是
that a character keeps evolving well after his first appearance.
毒液是一个在诞生后依然不断完善的角色
McFarlane’s original Venom looks creepy and cool
早期毒液看起来既酷又恐怖
but he’s still missing some trademark tropes.
但仍缺少一些标志性特征
Erik Larsen was the first to draw Venom
埃里克·拉森首次给毒液
with his slithering tongue and gallons of drool
画上了滑溜溜的舌头和满嘴的口水
and future artists would continue to experiment with
而未来的画手们也将继续
and evolve on the slimy, symbiotic psychopath’s design.
进行试验 不断改进这个共生体的设计
At the end of the day,
所以到最后
Venom was still created by David Michelinie and Todd McFarlane
毒液仍是由大卫·米其里尼和托德·麦克法兰创造的
but that’s only the tip of the iceberg
但这只是冰山一角
and everyone who contributed to the concept
每个为毒液的概念做出过贡献的人
deserves at least a little shout out.
都值得被大众知晓
Comics are a collaborative, iterative medium.
漫画是一种合作的 反复变化的表现形式
After all, they’re built on decades of stories and continuity
说到底 它们建立于数十年不断的故事设计
from dozens of different writers and artists.
这些设计来自于不同的作家和画手
But when it works
但当它呈现出来的时候
like it do with Venmon
就变成了毒液
they come together into a cohesive, compelling world
所有人的努力汇聚成一个引人注目的世界
and unforgettable characters that
还有许多难忘的经典人物
stand the test of time.
它们全部都经久不衰
“WE ARE VENOM.”
“我们是毒液。”
Thanks for watching everybody
感谢本次的观看
And special thanks to Todd Mcfarlane
最后特别感谢托德的到来
for coming and talk to us about Venom
感谢他与我们分享毒液的故事
So now I pose the question to you
现在我想问问大家
Who created Venom?
到底是谁创造了毒液
Is it Tom and David? Is it John Byme? Is it Jim Shooter? Is it…
是汤姆和大卫?是约翰·伯恩? 是吉姆·舒特?还是…
Ah…do tell me
啊…快告诉我
Leave the comment, let me know
留下评论让我知道你们的看法
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