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如何从抑郁原因出发抗抑郁

The one factor causing depression and anxiety in the workplace | Johann Hari

我学习了大概9个导致抑郁和焦虑的原因
I learned about nine causes of depression and anxiety,
他们的科学性
for which there ’ s scientific
证据集合了不同的解决方法
evidence with different sets of solutions.
但是我只会快速地给你举其中一个例子
But I’ll just give you a very quick exampleof one.
我注意到我认识的很多人都很抑郁和焦虑
I noticed that lots of people I know who were depressed and anxious.
他们抑郁和焦虑的焦点是他们的工作
Their depression and anxiety focuses aroundtheir work.
所以我开始调查
So I started looking at, well,
人们都是怎样看待他们的工作的?
how do people feel about their work?
这其中发生了什么?
What’s going on here?
民意调查对这个问题有着最详细的解释
Gallup did the most detailed study that ’ s ever been done on this.
调查发现13%的人
What they found is 13 percent of us
在大部分时间里面喜欢自己的工作
like our work most of the time.
63%的人在工作中处于“梦游”的状态
Sixty-three percent of us are what they called “ sleepwalking ” through out work.
我们不喜欢我们的工作
We don’t like it.
但是也不讨厌它
We don’t hate it.
我们是可忍受的
We tolerate it.
24%的人讨厌自己的工作
Twenty-four percent of us hate out jobs.
想象一下我们生活中87%的人
If you think about that 87 percent
大多数时候都不喜欢他们正在做的事情
of people in our culture don ’ t like the thing they ’ re doing most of the time.
他们一般在早上7点48分发送第一份工作邮件 在下午7点15分打卡下班
They did send their first work email at 7:48a.m. and clock off at 7:15 p.m. on average.
大多数人并不想这么做
Most of us don’t want to be doing it.
这与我们的精神健康有关系么
Could this have a relationship to our mentalhealth?
我开始寻找最好的证据
I started looking for the best evidence,
并且我发现了一个神奇的澳大利亚社交
and I discovered an amazing Australian social
学家-迈克尔·马莫特 我知道他发现
scientist called Michael Marmot who I got to know who discovered,
这个故事的过程颇为神奇
the story of how he discovered it is amazing,
但是我只会大概讲一下框架
but I’ll giveyou the headline.
他发现让我们在工作中抑郁和紧张的主要因素
He discovered the key factor that makes us depressed and anxious at work:
如果你觉得自己在控制下工作
If you go to work and you feel controlled,
感觉到自己的选择变少或者被限制
you feel you have few or limited choices you
变抑郁的可能性就会更大或
are significantly more likely to become depressed or
事实上更有可能发生与压力相关
actually even more likely to have a stress-related
的心脏病
heart attack.
这是因为
And this is because
它与我了解的导致抑郁和焦虑的因素息息相关
of one of the things that connects so many of the causes of depression and anxiety I learned about.
节目观众都知道你有自然的生理需求量 对吗
Everyone watching this knows that you havenatural physical needs, right.
你需要食物
You need food.
你需要水分
You need water.
你需要住处
You need shelter.
你需要干净的空气
You need clean air.
如果我将它们从你那里夺走
If I took them away from you,
你就会很快陷入困境 对吗
you would be in trouble real fast, right.
有力的证据证明人们有自然心理需求
There’s equally strong evidence that wehave natural psychological needs.
你得感到自己有归属感
You ’ ve got to feel you belong;
你必须感觉到自己的生活是有意义和目标的
You ’ ve got to feel your life has meaning and purpose;
你必须感受到人们
You ’ ve got to feel that people
看重你
see you and value you; You ’
你得知道自己拥有
ve got to feel you ’ ve got
一个有意义的未来
a future that makes sense.
如果人们的心理需求被剥夺
And if human beings are deprived of those psychological needs they will experience extreme
他们会极度痛苦
forms of distress.
我们的文化在很多方面都很优秀
Our culture is good at lots of things.
但我们越来越不擅长
We ’ re getting less and less good
满足人们深藏的心理需求
at meeting people ’ s deep underlying psychological needs.
这是抑郁人数增加的一个关键因素
And this is one of the key factors why depression is rising.
现在我们刚刚谈到了这里
And that opens, just to finish the point
他们发现了另一种不同的方式
about what that opens up, a very different way of
去思考我们是如何解决这些问题 对么
thinking about how we solve these problems,right.
所以如果工作中的控制感
so if control at work
是导致抑郁和焦虑传染的一个驱动因素
is one of the drivers of this depression and anxiety epidemic
所以我在想什么是它的抗抑郁剂
so I think well what would be an antidepressantfor that, right.
它的解决办法是什么
What would solve that?
在巴尔的摩 我遇见了一个叫梅瑞狄斯基奥的女士
In Baltimore I met a woman called Meredith Keogh
她是这神奇的转变中的一部分
as part of an amazing transformation.
梅瑞狄斯曾经在每周日晚上伴着焦虑症状入睡
Meredith used to go to bed every Sunday night just sick with anxiety.
她有一份办公室工作
She had an office job.
这不是世界上最糟糕的办公室工作
It wasn ’ t the worst office job
她没有被虐待
in the world, she wasn ’ t
但是她不能忍受
being bullied, but she couldn ’ t
未来的40年内单调枯燥的生活
bear the thought that this monotony was going
成为她的一部分
to be the next 40 years of her life, most of her life.
有一天 梅瑞狄斯和她的丈夫乔希做了一个实验
And one day Meredith did an experiment withher husband Josh.
乔希从青少年时期起就在自行车商店工作
Josh had worked in bike stores since he wasa teenager. Again,
正如你所想 这是份不稳定的 备受约束的工作
it’s insecure, controlled work, asyou can imagine.
有一天 乔希和他的朋友在自行车商店问他们自己
And one day Josh and his friends in the bikestore just asked themselves:
他们的老板真正做了什么?
what does their boss actually do?
他们喜欢那个老板
They liked that boss.
他并不是一个特别坏的人 但是他们在想
He wasn ’ t a particularly bad guy, but they thought,
我们修了所有的自行车
“ Well, we fix all the bikes. ”
他们不喜欢这种有老板的感觉
They didn’t like this feeling of havinga boss.
他们想要做一些不同的事情
They decided to do something different.
所以梅瑞狄斯停止了她的工作
So Meredith quit her job.
乔希和他的朋友们也停止了他们的工作
Josh and his friends quit their jobs.
他们创立了一个自行车商店 以一种古老的独特方式运营
They set up a bike store that works on a different, older principle.
它是一种民主协作 而不是一个公司
It’s a democratic cooperative, not a corporation.
运作方式是没有老板
So the way it works is there is no boss.
他们通过民主投票来做决策
They take the decisions together democraticallyby voting.
有福同享 有难同当
They share out the good tasks and the badtasks.
共享利润
They share the profits.
有一件事我觉得非常有趣
And one of the things that was so interesting to me going there
这与马尔默教授的发现一致
which is completely in line with Professor Marmot ’ s findings is how many
那些之前在受控环境下工作时
of them talked about how depressed and anxious they ’ d been when they worked
焦虑和抑郁的人 现在不会了
in a controlled environment and they weren ’ t depressed and anxious now.
而且重要的是
Now it ’ s important to say:
他们并没有停止修自行车的工作
it ’ s not like they quit their jobs fixing bikes and went
去成为一个像碧昂斯那样的后备歌手 对么
to become like Beyoncé’s backup singers,right?
他们以前修自行车 现在也修
They fixed bikes before, they fixed bikesnow.
但是他们已经解决了导致抑郁和焦虑的因素
But they dealt with the factor that causesdepression and anxiety.
就像乔希对我说的那样
As Josh put it to me,
所有商业都应该被高层管理 这是不合理的
there ’ s no reason why any business should be run in this top down,
这种方式让抑郁产生 令人羞辱
depressogenic, humiliating way, right.
现代公司是最近的发明
The modern corporation is a very recent invention.
想一想身边有很多人感觉如今很糟糕
Think about how many people you know who feel terrible today
如果他们明天去一个和同事共同掌握主导权的地方工作
if they were going into work tomorrow to a workplace that they controlledwith their colleagues.
如果非要有一个老板
If there had to be a boss,
那就选举一个 老板对他们负责
they elected the boss and the boss was accountable to them.
他们在这里可以有优先选择工作车间的权力
Where they chose the priorities for theirworkplace.
很多人将会有完全不同的感觉
A lot of people would feel very differently.
现在它是一个抗抑郁剂了 不是么
Now that is an antidepressant, right.
化学抗抑郁剂仍然应该保留在抗抑郁药物的名单中
Chemical antidepressants should absolutelyremain on the menu.
他们缓解部分人的痛苦
They give some relief to some people.
那是非常有价值的
That’s valuable.
但是我们需要寻找根治抑郁的抗抑郁剂
But we need to look for antidepressants that deal with the reasons why we ’ re depressed.
所以我能够确定9个导致抑郁和焦虑的原因以及7种抗抑郁剂
So I was able to identify nine causes of depression and anxiety and seven antidepressants like
它们能根治病因 而不仅仅是
this which are actually about dealing with the reasons why we feel this way, and not
减轻症状
just blunting the symptoms.

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介绍了9个抑郁原因中的一个和7个抗抑郁方法中的一个

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