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漫威有这么多NB的电影,为什么没有主题曲?

The Marvel Symphonic Universe

我有一个问题问你
So I have a question for you.
只考虑你的第一反应 你能唱出你最先想到的星球大战的歌
Off the top of your head could you sing any music from Star Wars ?
James Bond呢
How about James Bond ?
哈利波特
Harry Potter ?
我的最后一个问题 你能唱出漫威电影的歌吗
My last question : can you sing anything from a Marvel movie ?
我是漫威最忠诚的粉丝 但我
I’m like the biggest Marvel fan that I know and I just…
我唱不出来
I can’t think of any of the songs.
不…不…
– No. – No…
我应该知道的 但是我不知道
I should know this, but I don’t.
靠!
Shit.
我不知道他们的电影有主题曲
I didn’t know they have, like, theme songs.
为什么会这样
Why is this ?
漫威电影是有史以来最卖座的电影
Because the Marvel cinematic universe is now the highest-grossing franchise in film history.
超过星球大战和詹姆斯邦德
More than Star Wars, more than James Bond,
以及哈利波特
more than Harry Potter,
那么他们的音乐里少了点什么呢
so what is missing from their music ?
第一个问题就在于 大多数的音乐并不会产生情绪的波动
The first problem is that most of the music doesn’t evoke an emotional response.
来看第一个来自钢铁侠的画面
Take a look at this scene from the first Ironman :
11号 37次测试 配置2.0
Day 11. Test 37. Configuration 2.0
没有更好的选择了 Dummy仍然负责灭火
For lack of a better option Dummy is still on fire safety.
你敢再用水喷我 而且我也没着火 我就把你捐到城市大学里
If you douse me again and I’m not on fire, I’m donating you to a city college.
当然 非常简单
All right, nice and easy.
难以听清楚 让我们再试一次
It’s kind of hard to hear it. So let’s try that one more time,
但这次只有伴奏音乐
But this time with just the music isolated.
你对这音乐有什么想法吗
Did you have an emotional reaction to that music ?
那么如果我们把音乐关掉会怎么样
So what happens to the scene if we just take it out ?
11号 37次测试 配置2.0
Day 11. Test 37. Configuration 2.0
没有更好的选择了 Dummy仍在负责灭火
For lack of a better option Dummy is still on fire safety.
如果你再浇水在我身上 而且我也没着火 我就把你捐到城市大学里
If you douse me again and I’m not on fire, I’m donating you to a city college.
当然 非常简单
All right, nice and easy.
这个画面很好 不需要任何其他的声音
The scene works just fine and it doesn’t need any other sound.
这就是你为什么会忘记这音乐的原因之一
And that’s partially why you forget the music.
听起来好像后面的空调声 不久你就注意不到了
it’s like the air conditioner in the background, after awhile you tune it out.
另一个原因就是音乐的使用毫无新意
Another problem is that the music is used very predictably.
以至于你收获的就是你看到的
So that what you see is what you get.
如果你看着开心的东西 那就会听到快乐的歌
If you see something funny you hear funny music.
如果你看到伤心的东西 你就听到一段高音悲壮的音乐
If you see something sad, you hear a high note on the strings.
这是一条安全获得高分的方式 因为所有的情感都在预料之中
This is a really safe way to score a film, because all of the emotions are expected.
音乐会告诉你和图片相同的东西
The music just tells you the same thing as the picture.
如果某个人看起来很恐怖 那么你会听到
If someone looks scared, then you hear :
这就是第二个音乐会被忘记的原因
And this is the second reason the music is forgettable.
它并没有超出你的预期
It never challenges your expectations.
但有时漫威电影有一些令人回味的音乐
But sometimes the Marvel films do have memorable music,
只是电影制作者不让我们听到这些音乐
except the filmmakers don’t let us listen to it.
就干脆用其他的声音代替它 像这样
Instead they cover it up with other sounds like this :
由于身体素质不够好的原因被拒绝入伍的
Denied enlistment due to poor health,
Steven Rogers被美国战争有史以来最独特的方式选中
Steven Rogers was chosen for a program unique in the annals of American warfare,
这个方式把他转变成了世界第一个超级士兵
one that would transform him into the world’s first super soldier.
讲述者只是在告诉我们一些已知的事
That narrator is just telling us things we already know,
他分散了我们的注意力
And he distracts us from the emotion of the scene.
那么没有这些令人分心的东西会怎样?
So how does this moment play without that distraction ?
感觉到不一样了吗
Did you feel the difference ?
电影音乐是非常主观的 它引领剧的走向
Film music is incredibly subjective and it goes through trends.
在过去的20年里 情况的发生了转变
And over the last 20 years there has been a cultural shift.
现在 大量的影视制作者认为应该减弱音乐的存在感
Nowadays a lot of filmmakers feel that music should not be noticed,
那是我在最近最常听见的事情
That’s a contemporary thing that I’ve heard very frequently,
不应该被注意到
“not supposed to be noticed”
当然 但为什么它不被应该被注意呢
Right but, why is it not supposed to be noticed ?
我是看着Alfred Hitchcock的电影长大的 Bernard Herrmann 我还记得每一个音节
I grew up on Alfred Hitchcock’s films, Bernard Herrmann, and i noticed every note.
我发现它有点莫名其妙
And I find it a little bit baffling why that seems to be the consciousness
似乎是音乐和电影的意识
of music and film.
但是还有一件事是我们还没提到而且很重要的
But there is one thing we haven’t mentioned yet and it’s very important.
如今大制作电影的音乐进入了一个特别的阶段
Today blockbuster movie scores are composed to a particular process,
这个阶段开始于一个有争议的点
And that process starts with one controversial element :
Danny 刚才当有人提到临时音乐的时候你哼了一声 你持赞成还是反对态度呢
Danny you groaned earlier when someone mentioned temp music, the pros and cons ?
这种音乐对我来说是一种痛苦
For me temp music is the bane of my existence
我的工作是让导演忘记他在剧中听到的一切
it’s my job to make the director forget everything he’s heard in the temp,
我不会听的 最多一次 绝对不会有第二次
I won’t listen to it but once, I’ll never listened to it twice,
如果他们被音乐吸引了 这就使我的工作更难做了
and if they’re addicted to it it’s just going to make my job harder.
回到上面第二条 临时音乐是当你剪辑一个电影的时候
Let’s back up a second : temp music is when you’re editing a film,
你从另一部电影中取出音乐,并暂时在你的剪辑中使用它,像这样:
and you take music from another movie and use it temporarily in your cut like this :
临时音乐应该是作曲家的原创音乐
Tenp music is always supposed to be replaced by composers’ original score.
但是有时候导演和编剧们会让作曲家效仿类似的音乐创作
But sometimes directors or producers will tell their composer to imitate the temp.
据我们所知 这是唯一一次因模仿
To our knowledge, this is the only time a studio has publicly apologized
临时音乐 工作室公开道歉
for imitating temp music.
更广泛的现象是
The far more pervasive effect is that now
现在的大片制作人互相用他人的音乐
most blockbusters are temped with each other’s scores.
这种互用音乐的的方法也在合法范围内
So they kind of sound like each other, but just within legal limits.
随着漫威电影的盛行 一些别的电影也开始用
And as the Marvel franchise has become more popular, now other films sound like
漫威的音乐
they were tempt with Marvel music.
我想强调一点 我们并不是指责作曲家
We want to emphasize : we’re not blaming the composers.
但是事情不应该这样发展,除非它被系统化了
Things don’t get this way unless its systemic.
在临时音乐流行起来之前 导演们会斟酌引用音乐
Before temp music became popular, directors would often reference other music
会和作曲家探讨 但是现在的非线性剪辑技术
as a way to talk to the composer. But what changed everything was
改变了这种情况 使得导演们会插入他们喜欢的临时音乐
modern nonlinear editing which allowed a director to put their favorite music
并且让剪辑师剪辑
in the movie and have the editor cut to it.
导演们指着一个临时音乐说“做成这样的”
Now, director points to the temp and says : “Make it like that”.
并不是因为这个临时音乐是最合适的
And it’s not because the music is the right choice,
而是他们曾经听过
but because they’ve listened to it.
一遍一遍 周而复始
Again and again and again for hours and hours
制作DVD和其它版本进行比较 然后他们第二天
making a DVD that match and they go back with another idea another version the
做出一样的音乐 某种程度上音乐就像被定格在画面上一样
next day with the same music, and at some point of the music stick to the picture.
他们可以这样折腾一年
– They can spend a year before you arrive.
而且你放这些插曲的时候就会发现剪辑不对
By the way when you take that music out often the cut isn’t right
因为他们剪得听起来太糟糕了
because they’re cutting to something that… It’s very frustrating.
令人沮丧的是 电影制作者只是重复使用这些东西
Part of the frustration is that filmmakers just reuse things
它们出现在每个类似的电影里 所以你最终得到的就是一个最小公倍数
that worked in every other movie, so you end up with the lowest common denominator.
记得这个吗
Remember this ?
让我们换个别的
Let’s try something different.
在电影开始时 索尔和他的朋友
So earlier in the film, Thor convinced his friends to do
做了些违法的事 然后他被流放了
something illegal and he was banished.
现在他的朋友为找到索尔做了些违规的事
Now they’re doing something illegal to find him.
索尔并没有请求帮助 而是他们心甘情愿的
He’s not asking for their help, they’re giving it willingly.
如果换这个音乐是什么感觉呢
What if we heard this feeling in the music ?
我们并不是说这是最好的选择 但是值得一试
We’re not saying this is the right choice here, but it’s worth trying out.
因为这让画面的感情更加丰富了
Because it makes the scene emotionally richer.
你所看到的所有的漫威的电影
And all of the choices you see in Marvel films :
背景的噪音 只反映你所见的音乐 旁白 插曲
the background noise, hearing what you see, adding a narrator, temp music.
所有的这些都只为一点:保证安全
All of these stem from the same desire : to keep things safe.
这不是糟糕的音乐 只是平淡无趣
This is not bad music, it’s just bland and inoffensive.
漫威正是牺牲了情感的丰富来确保影片的安全
And because Marvel sacrifices emotional richness for these safe choices,
导致的结果就是这样的
the end result is this :
额…漫威…不知道
Oh… Marvel ? Na – oh…
所以漫威的音乐缺了什么呢?冒险精神
So what is missing from Marvel music ? Risk.
这种冒险建立起了和观众们的情感连接
The kind of risk that creates an emotional connection with the audience.
因此他们保留着这份记忆 而人们是不会记住那些保险的选择的
So that they carry the music with them. People do not remember safe choices.
只有大胆自信的原创音乐可以做到这一点
Only bold original music, and do this :
但是说了这么多 我们还真找到了一首漫威的主题曲
But that being said, we did find one Marvel theme that still got this reaction :
(蜘蛛侠主题曲)#蜘蛛侠 蜘蛛侠 可爱友好的邻居小蜘蛛#
Spiderman ! Spiderman ! Friendly neighborhood Spiderman !
#到处织网 除恶扬善 犹如小飞侠 快看! 蜘蛛侠来了#
Spins web any size, catch thieves, just like flies. Look out ! Here comes Spider-man!
#他强壮吗 听呀 他有放射性血#
Is he strong? Listen bud, he’s got radioactive blood.
#他可以随着线摆一个圈#
Can he swing from a thread Take a look overhead.
#嘿 那就是蜘蛛侠#
Hey there There goes the Spiderman.
#在寒冷的夜晚 在犯罪现场#
In the chill of night At the scene of a crime
#就像一缕光一样 他及时赶到#
Like a streak of light He arrives just in time.
#蜘蛛侠 蜘蛛侠 可爱又有好的邻居小蜘蛛 财富和名望 他被忽视 行动就是他的报酬#
Spiderman, Spiderman, Friendly neighborhood Spiderman, Wealth and fame, He’s ignored, Action is his reward.
#生活是一个伟大的大爆炸 无论哪里有意外 你会发现蜘蛛侠#
To him, life is a great big bang up. Wherever there’s a hang up, You’ll find the Spider man.
太不可思议了 非常感谢
-That was incredible ! Thank you so much !
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