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心理学之争:弗洛伊德与荣格的相爱相杀史

Philosophy Feuds: Freud vs Jung

西德荣格.弗洛伊德第一次遇见卡尔.荣格时 他们不停地交谈了13个小时
When Sigmund Freud first met Carl Jung, they talked non-stop for 13 hours.
1907年是这段持续了六年的友谊开始的一年
This was 1907 and for the next six years the friendship blossomed.
弗洛伊德已经因为他的精神分析法而出名
Freud was famous already for his psychoanalytic method,
荣格还是一位年轻的瑞士精神病学家
and Jung was a young Swiss psychiatrist.
这是一段充满激情又异常怪异的关系
It was a passionate and surpassingly weird relationship,
与其相关的人
which given the people involved
也许并不应该感到意外
perhaps shouldn’t come as a surprise.
弗洛伊德将荣格和自己的关系说成“约书亚之于摩西
Freud called Jung “ the Joshua to my Moses,
荣格注定要得到大众的承认
fated to enter the Promised Land which I myself
不过在自己的有生之年看不到”
will not live to see. ”
可以肯定的是 高度的赞赏也伴随着巨大的压力
High praise and lots of pressure, to be sure.
在1909年 他们一起去美国旅行
In 1909, they traveled together to America
为了做精神分析方面的讲座
in order to give lectures on psychoanalysis.
当他们登上纽约的海岸
When they disembarked in New York harbor,
弗洛伊德对荣格说
Freud said to Jung “ They don’t realize that
他们还没意识到我们将给他们带来一场“瘟疫”
we are bringing them the plague, ” –
这就像是听到别人说一件特别糟糕的事一样打击我
which has always struck me as a particularly badass thing to have said.
他们的美国之行是成功的
Their trip to the US was a success
他们也一起花费了很多时间去讨论彼此的梦境
and they spent lots of time together analysing one another’s dreams.
大约就在这时 荣格写信给弗洛伊德
It was around this time that Jung wrote to Freud,
让我享受你的友谊
“ Let me enjoy your friendship
不是像平等的人那样 而是像父亲和儿子那样
not as one between equals but as that of father and son.
在任何的友谊关系中 这无疑是一件怪事
This is undoubtedly an odd thing to say in any friendship,
但是这一段友谊除外
but especially this one,
当你的朋友是恋母情结的创始人
when your friend is the originator of the Oedipal complex,
在儿子无意识的想法中
the idea that the son, on some unconscious level,
是想要杀死父亲
wants to kill the father.
这个想法引起了弗洛伊德的注意 也使他有点震惊
This did not go unnoticed by Freud, and he freaked out a little.
一天 当荣格和弗洛伊德在一间德国咖啡馆聊天时
One day, chatting in a German café,
荣格开始谈论木乃伊的尸体
Jung started talking about mummified corpses.
弗洛伊误认为荣格想要杀死他父亲
Freud interpreted this as Jung wanting to kill his father –
也就是 暗指弗洛伊德自己
in this case, Freud himself.
他昏厥过去 又不得不清醒过来
He fainted and had to be revived.
在这之后不久 他们的友谊开始分崩离析
Not longer after that it all began to unravel.
不仅仅是因为他们奇怪的关系
Not just because of their strange relationship,
或许还因为他们对彼此渐渐厌烦
or because they got sick of each other
(尽管过去他们那样的亲密)
(although they clearly did). No:
不 这是一段真正的学术的争论
there was a real intellectual disagreement.
弗洛伊德用性来解释一切
Freud was all about sex:
性欲和性欲的压抑
The libido, and its repression,
是造成人类所有行为和失败最基本的原因
is the most basic cause of human behavior and human failure.
无意识是将所有危险
The unconscious is where all these dangerous,
混乱情感和欲望妥善封存的地方
messed-up emotions and desires are stored
只有通过精神分析才能进入
away under lock-and-key, inaccessible exceptthrough psychoanalysis.
弗洛伊德认为性无处不在 荣格则认为这种说法有点过头
Freud saw sex everywhere; Jung thought that that was a bit much.
他们友谊的另一个障碍是
The other wedge in their friendship was Jung’s interest
荣格对宗教和数学的兴趣
in religion and myth.
荣格认为“集体无意识”
Jung believed in the ‘ collective unconscious ’,
一种由构成文化的普遍符号
a sort of humanity-wide reservoir of universal
组成了以人类为范围的储层
symbols that make up the stuff of culture.
弗洛伊德直接认为这种观点是“不科学的”
Freud rejected the idea as flatly “unscientific.”
弗洛伊德认为荣格成为了神秘主义者 背叛了精神分析学派
Freud thought Jung betrayed psychoanalysisby becoming a mystic.
荣格则希望能有一座雕像砸中弗洛伊德的头
Jung hoped that a statue would fall on Freud’shead.
最终弗洛伊德在1913的一封信中结束了这一切:
At last Freud ended it all in a letter from1913: “But one [meaning Jung]
“一个人(指荣格)在行为不正常时会一直大喊他是正常人
who while behaving abnormally keeps shouting that heis normal,
让人有理由怀疑那个人没认识到自己有病
gives ground for the suspicion that he lacks insight into his illness. Accordingly,
因此 我建议我们完全地放弃这段私人关系。”
I propose that we abandon ourpersonal relations entirely.”
就这样
And that was that.
'剩下的只有沉默 '荣格记录在他的日记中
‘The rest is silence,’ Jung noted in his diary.
但事实并非如此
Only it wasn’t…
弗洛伊德的学术产出在晚年增加
Freud’s output increased in his later years,
推翻了很多过去的观点
reaching for more shibboleths to demolish.
荣格后来的作品数量激增
Jung’s later writing proliferated,
大多是他的对基模和集体意识的想法
as his ideas of archetypes and the collective unconscious
吸收了来自神话到飞碟的一切
hoovered up everything from mythology to flyingsaucers.
荣格鼓舞了像Jackson Pollock和Jorge Borges一样的艺术家
Jung inspired artists, like Jackson Pollock and Jorge Borges,
以及就像Viktor Frankl的存在主义者
and existentialists like Viktor Frankl.
但是谁获得了最后的胜利?
But who triumphed in the end?
哪一个思想者能自称自己有更大的影响力呢?
Which thinker can lay claim to greater influence?
当然 就是那个人告诉我们
Of course, it’s the one
我们的意识生活是
that told us that our conscious life is
精神的冰山一角
only the tip of the mental iceberg,
他发现性和死亡体现在我们的行为中
that found sex and death to pervade our behavior,
他描述了父母关系
that described parental relationships
远比看上去复杂的多
as rather more complicated than they seem,
最重要的是
and that, most of all,
他给我们带来了精神分析的理论 他就是西蒙·弗洛伊德
gave us the theories of psychoanalysis – Sigmund Freud.

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从一见如故到反目成仇,心理学学家弗洛伊德和荣格传奇友谊,谁才是最后的赢家?

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