Do you ever find that you have to yell
in order for your kids to hear you?
Today, Live On Purpose TV,
how to get your kids to listen without yelling?
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Like many of you,
Vicki and I have a pet.
It’s a little dog, he’s a yorkie poo, cute little guy.
We named him Mozzie,
and he is a smart little dog too.
I was wondering recently
and I think I commented to Vicki about this.
Has he trained us or have we trained him?
You know what I’m talking about if you’re a dog owner.
We train each other.
This is true with our kids too.
Our kids train us to do certain things to act certain ways to respond to them
in a way that they’ve trained us to respond to them.
And we do the same with our kids.
Notice that it’s going both directions,
because that’s going to be important as we manage the dynamic of
how we’re going to encourage our kids to listen to us without hopping into the yelling mode.
Now, having introduced it with my dog.
What if your kids have trained you to yell?
I had a dad come into talk to me once,
I can’t remember all the circumstances around his particular family,
but I think he was a single dad, he had about four or five kid,
and he was just feeling so frustrated.
Because every time he asked the kids to do something,
they would just ignore him,
until he got so frustrated and so upset that he was yelling
and then they would finally respond.
Can you relate to this?
Does this happen at your place?
So he asked me a question,
he said:”Dr. Paul,
why do my kids wait until the twelfth time I’ve asked him,
and I’m upset and angry
before they’ll do something?”
How would you answer that?
Why did they wait until the twelfth time?
Because they have trained him to yell at them before they respond,
because he has trained them to ignore him until the twelfth time.
So I asked him a question,
“Why do they do it the twelfth time?”
Think about that for a minute.
What is different time number twelve from time number one?
time number one dad is,
” Hey guys, would you please clean up all of that stuff
so that we can have dinner?”
Alright, now that registers with the kids as
-What did dad say? -I don’t know
-Was it anything important? -I don’t think so.
-Do I need to pay attention to that? -Probably not.”
Time number two,
“Guys, did you hear me?”
Kids are hearing”Ma-ma-ma…
-Did dad say something? -I don’t know, I don’t know if he said anything.
-爸爸是不是说什么了 ？ -我不知道 我不知道他有没有说话
-Is it important? -Probably not.”
Time number twelve,
popping coronaries and everything.
How do the kids hear that?
“Oh, dad’s talking, sounds important.
“哦 爸爸在说话 听起来很重要
I probably better do something or I’m gonna get clobbered.”
That’s why they respond time twelve,
because they’re interpreting it as
”Oh, it’s important now,
I’m going to get clobbered if I don’t do something now.”
See, he has raised his voice to the point
where he triggers that understanding in their little minds.
So how are we going to switch this dynamic?
My suggestion to him was,
clobber him the first time.
Now don’t misunderstand me,
I’m not saying you should clobber your kids,
I’m actually against that,
but what I am saying is,
move the real consequences up in the sequence,
so that they follow the calm, cool, collected voice
instead of the yelling voice.
We’re going to train them to respond
when we talk to them calmly, and in a loving tongue
学会趁我们还可以冷静 脸带笑容 充满爱意的
with a smile on our face.
In fact, we can train kids to understand
that dad smiling means that
“kids better start thinking.”
But they’r not equating it with that yet, ok?
So how are kids interpreting what we’re saying?
I heard a phrase years ago that makes a lot of sense to me,
“Bad breath is better than no breath at all.”
So they don’t mind having a little bad breath,
it actually makes them feel validated in some ways,
so yelling at our kids is not necessarily a punishment.
In fact, from a behavioral psychology standpoint,
yelling is a trap,
because it is a reinforcement, not a punishment.
I’m talking strictly behavioral terms,
those of you who’ve studied a little behavioral psychology will understand
that the difference between a reinforcer and a punishment.
A punishment decreases of behavior,
a reinforcer increases of behavior.
Yelling is a reinforcer not a punishment.
That’s important to know
because we inadvertently set ourselves up
for more problems when we yell.
It trains our kids to respond then instead of when we’re talking calmly.
So here’s a strategy that might be help
and I’ve used this with so many clients
and even with my own kids,
understand that your kids always
always have choices, always,
and if you haven’t figured this out yet,
notice that what you give them as choices,
sometimes they pick something totally different, right?
So they’ve always got choices,
and at a very minimum they have a choice to
either cooperate or not with you.
So acknowledging their choice in the matter,
let’s set it up
so that we have the greatest opportunity for success.
I need to go back to something that I’ve mentioned before
and that has to do with the rules of plumbing.
Some of you may have not heard this from me yet
but there were times, early in our marriage
when Vicki and I would find that something’s wrong with the house
and we need to have them fixed
and we couldn’t afford a repairman
and so I got to do a lot of home repairs,
some of these involves plumbing.
I’m not a plumber,
I’m a psychologist, there’s a difference,
they both start with P, that’s about where the similarities end except for this.
I consulted with my dad about this plumbing project that I was doing.
He says,”Yeah Paul, there’s only two rules to plumbing basically.
他说 “是的Paul 修水管基本上只有两条规则
Two things you need to know.”
“I’m interested, dad, what is that?”
“我很感兴趣 爸爸 这两条规则是什么？”
He said,”Well the two rules are,
first, water runs downhill.”
Ok, I can see why that one’s important,
then he pause for a minute and said,
“Rule number two, don’t lick your fingers”
And I laugh, it’s funny, right?
But if you’ve ever installed the toilet,
you know what we’re talking about here.
Water runs downhill, don’t lick your fingers.
What does this have to do with psychology?
I think there are two analogous rules in psychology.
Rule number one, this is the water runs downhill rule,
some things you control, other things you don’t.
Get clear about that, it’s important.
And especially when you’re dealing with your kids,
some things you control, other things you don’t.
Things like their attitude
and whether they’re gonna cooperate or not,
you don’t control that, they do.
Here’s rule number two, pay attention to the things you do control.
This is going to save so much heartache as a parent,
because we’re going to focus our efforts on
what is within our own control to accomplish.
Now let’s go to the strategy.
Try this and make some comments down below
about what you experienced about this,
I would love to hear from some of you on this.
Here it is, give them two choices, alright?
Give them two.
Now there’s always more than two but you’re going to give them two choices.
Either one is okay with you, either one.
We make this mistake as parents sometimes to say,
”Okay, you do this or else…”
Or else what?
We give them a choice that is one that we like
and then they go pick something that we don’t like.
Ok, that’s why I want you to give them two choices,
either one you’re okay with.
Let me give you an example.
You can clean your room yourself
or you can hire someone else to do it,
either way it’s okay with me,
as long as it’s clean to my satisfaction I’m good.
That’s an example of two choices you’re okay with either one.
Okay, for a younger child,
you can come with me on your own feet
or you can come with me on my feet,
either one is okay with me.
Do you see either way they’re coming with you.
Are you going to come or not?
Are you gonna come or am I gonna leave you home?
Look, if you’re not willing to leave the kid home
and you shouldn’t be if they’re young enough
that this would be an issue,
then don’t use that as a threat,
they’ll see right through it and your words will be garbage.
We’re going to talk about turning your words from garbage into gold
so that when they hear your voice, your melodious pleasant voice,
they listen and pay attention
because that’s gold.
See,we’re turning words from garbage into gold.
So we’re gonna give two choices you’re okay with either one.
Now here’s the kicker, you control one of them.
Why? Because that one becomes default.
That is the one that is going to happen if they refuse to choose,
they chose that one.
So in the examples that I gave,
you can clean your own room
or you can hire someone else to do it, either one is really okay with me.
Which one do you control?
because if they choose not to clean their room at all
and they probably didn’t call up Annie’s maid service,
pre-paid of course to come and take care of that room for them.
Then what did they choose?
They chose to hire someone to do it, and who did they choose?
Chose you, yeah.
雇你 对 就是你
now you might be thinking
“I’m not gonna clean my kid’s room, they’re supposed to do it.”
Okay, fine, remerber we give them two choices,
you can clean it yourself, you can hire someone else to do it,
either way is okay with me,
don’t go back on your word and say,
“Actually I’m not okay with that one now.”
You be okay with it.
I told my kids, they learned this pretty early,
you can hire me any time you want
and then I gave them my rates.
There’s no kid out there wants to
pay 200 plus dollars per hour to have their room cleaned,
but that’s my rate,
just saying, okay?
And I’m happy to come clean your room for that much,
just give me a call and we’ll make an arrangement.
Nobody hires me to clean their room for 200 plus dollars an hour.
Why? Because that’s too expensive.
What if your kid hires you to clean their room?
OK, Well that’s going to cost them something,
I’m not saying you should charge them 200 bucks,
what I am saying is, it should cost them something,
and you need to be able to control that cost,
that’s another conversation
that we’ll probably have in another video.
Okay, but you got to be okay with both choices,
because one of those you control
and that’s the one that is default. OK?
Go to the younger child example,
you can come on your own two feet
or you can come on my feet,
either way is okay with me, ok?
You got a two-year-old who wants to do everything”by myself”
Right? Have you heard that one?
Yeah, which one did they want to choose?
Well they want to be in control of some things,
they might choose their own two feet,
but if they don’t choose to come with you,
you get to pick them up.
Because they’re two and you can still do this, right?
You get to pick them up and they get to go on your feet.
Now you might think “Well, I just want them to come,
I don’t want them to fight me”
Right. Here’s a little tip,
think versus fight, think versus fight.
Every interaction you have with your kids
is going to invite them to do one or the other.
What do we want them to do?
Think, because if they’re thinking,
they’re going make some pretty good decisions.
What do they want to do?
Sometimes they want to fight,
and so they’ve trained us to yell at them,
so they can fight with us.
It’s not fair but it happens, okay,
and I don’t say they’re doing this maliciously,
I don’t think they are,
I think it’s just working for them
and bad breath is better than no breath at all.
We’re going to turn our words from garbage into gold,
so that when we speak in that melodious loving tone of voice
that we always use as a parent now.
they’re going to hear that
and they’re going say, “What?”
Okay, so pretend for a minute that you give them that choice.
You can come on my own two feet or you can come on your own two feet
or you can come on my feet, either way it’s okay with me.
And then”I’m not coming”,
so you pick them up and you take them.
Now what happens the next time?
Assuming that you were calm and cool and collected,
you didn’t lose your cool and fight.
What happens next time when you say, “Hey we’re going,
下次你说： “嘿 我们要走了
would you like to come on your own two feet
or would you like to come on mine? Either way is okay with me.”
Do you see what we’re talking about?
Okay, would you like to clean your own room
or would you like to hire someone to do it?
Either way is okay with me.
If they just paid a big cost the last time,
they’re going to be thinking now.
See now I’ve accomplished think versus fight,
we’ve turned our words from garbage into gold,
so that we can talk to our kids and we don’t have to yell
and we’ve just trained them to respond to us differently
because of how we’ve approached them.
So now maybe you won’t have to yell as much
and your kids will actually listen,
you’ve turned your words from garbage into gold.
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Do you ever find that you have to yell