What’s up, guys?
It’s your girl, Ti,
and I am here today with Aaron Koblin, the founder of Within.
>> Yeah, so Within is an immersivestorytelling company,
co-founded with a guy name Chris Milk andmyself. Basically,
it’s an appthat you can open up and
drop into immersive stories on your phone,
on Oculus rift or HTC Vibe.
And get lost in these stories.
> > Today, Aaron and I are going to go through various movies over the years
that have portrayed VR andVR storytelling.
And see what the movies got right and
what they definitely didn’t get right.
And we’re also going to talk a little bit
about where VR is going in the future.
>> He is the one.
> > The Matrix,
that was a huge movie in terms of VR and
sort of alternate realities, and in The Matrix,
we see Neo literally plug in.
Is it possible within virtual reality to actually learn things as quickly as these
characters do in the movies?
>> You will learn things, andyou will learn them quickly.
It’s not going to be like a neuro dump,
where you can just get skills and
There’s a thing called neuroplasticity.
Where we’re actually rewiring the
way their brains are working based off different types of stimulus that come in.
So there are things that youcan quite remarkably and
quickly change about yourself.
So I don’t think you’re going to necessarily become a ninja overnight.
But this ability to experience things is so different from being just a normal human,
it’s totally real.
>> How about super powers?
With Neo sort of bending The Matrix,and things like that,
how realistic is that froma programming standpoint?
我想说 你已经见证了 如今在虚拟现实中
> > I mean, you can already see things in virtual reality today that allow you to do
你可以做很多事 比如飞行 这完全没问题
things like that, like you can fly,that’s no problem.
Things that are more interesting,I think are like bending time.
You can actually control the playbackof physics and other things.
I think you see that in the film,
that’s totally real and can be done today.
>> So evidently
we can basicallybe super heroes in VR.
>> Yeah, I think that’s fair to say.
>> This isn’t real.
>> What is real?
> > Is it possible to have graphics
and images so real that it’s kind of
impossible to discern between reality andvirtual reality?
>> There’s different waysto create virtual reality.
There are things like photogrammetry,
where you’re scanning real life scenes and
then you’re piecing them back together.
That ends up looking quite real.
I think in the future,
we’re going to see both kind of mixed reality.
Where you actually have just your
normal environment augmented with things that
look incredibly real and maybe confusing.
That’s going to lead to some prettyinteresting scenarios and questions.
I think in the not so distant future,
you may actually question whether you saw something that was real or not.
>> Black Mirror delvesa whole lot into VR, and
the possibilities ofan often dystopian future.
In the Play Test episode,their devices are actually pretty small,
they’re pretty minimal.
There is also augmented realityin that particular episode.
How much does the augmented reality
in that episode relate to how it is today?
> > So what you are starting to see
with augmented reality is pretty similar of
what you see there.
They show actually a low polygon character sprout out of a table.
That’s really similar with some of the experiments you see
in some of the things we’ve done.
>> In the episode,
we also see that it’s basically like horror mixed with virtual reality.
It’s very immersive, very scary.
Is that something we’re actually seeing in VR options that are available today?
>> Yeah, I mean,
there are a bunch of people playing around with various forms of creating intrigue.
And even horror in virtual reality andaugmented reality.
>> You don’t want anythingthat’s too scary.
> > Well, you are kind of handing your consciousness over,
which is a pretty,
you want to have trust with whoever you are giving it to.
>> Also, there is the realismaspect of this episode,
where he can grab onto people and actually feel like they are there.
> > Yeah, there are a bunch of interfaces that are coming out.
Obviously,your controller kinds ofinteractions,
but there’s also gloves and even hand tracking.
There’s a company called Leap Motion,
which analyzes the way that your hands are moving.
>> Let’s move along tothe Sand June Apparo episode.
Where we see elderly people able to relive their youth
or their younger days, through virtual reality.
Is it or will it be possible to build a world like this?
>> We’re starting to have different techniques for capturing our reality.
I actually know a couple
who filmed their wedding in 360 degree video.
So to that extent,
they will be able to go back and
at least from that vantage point,
kind of relive what it was like to be there.
There’s other technologies,like photogrammetry,
which will allow us to scan scenes, and also, eventually scan people.
There’s also a company called Lytro which does light field capture.
And that’s the ability to actually capture full light field areas and
then move around in that space as though you are actually there.
So we may not be as far off as we think,
from being able to actually capture reality in a way that we can be present in again.
> > Since we are dealing with the elderly in this episode,
and a lot of people who are quite ill.
Are there any applications forVR in healthcare today?
> > Virtual reality can be really valuable to people
who have limited mobility and accessability.
We’ve done some projects with hospitals.
Where we actually are able to take kids who are stuck in hospital rooms
and put them somewhere else for awhile.
And that really has a proven effect on the mind and on the presence,
which can be a suggestion is that it can actually help real healing.
哇 虚拟现实疗法 谁知道呢
>> Wow. Therapeutic VR, who knew?
Well,I mean, I guess you did,but I certainly didn’t.
The Lawnmower Man,
now this is something that a lot of you youngsters might not have seen.
But in it, a man becomes more andmore powerful,
basically all powerful, after spending a ton of time in virtual reality.
Lawnmower Man gets trulyimmersive with its VR.
>> There are two different interfaces.
One of them they’re just sitting in a chair,
learning back, flying through.
And that actually probablywould make you sick,
because your vestibular system isexpecting you to feel that motion.
And if you don’t, the primal you is saying,
I must have eaten poison berries, I’ve got to puke.
There’s another interface, though,where they have them moving around
and going like this when they’re flying.
And that actually probablywould work pretty well,
because your body feels that motion
as you’re flying and accepts it as real.
>> How interesting.
You kind of need to add the motion to prevent the motion sickness.
>> Come on, let me in.
>> Access granted.
> > So there have been many movies over the years that have talked about VR and
tried to portray it.
But I wanted to know from you,
as an actual guy in the VR world,
what is your favorite VR movie?
> > The first one that comes to mind
as a great portrayal is Her.
Where you have this argumentary reality scene,
a guy’s sitting there,
and this wonderfully sarcastic rudecharacter is just talking smack.
And you can just see how that type of environment could really suck you in.
And you could build a relationship with a creature
or another person in that context.
>> That is going to do it for us today.
Thank you so much for joining us,
but tell us where people can keep up with you
or even with Within.
Yeah,check out Within online at With. In,I’m @aaronkoblin,
thanks a lot for having me.
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